Melinda French Gates said Department of Government Efficiency Chair Elon Musk should broaden his horizons a bit before making cuts to U.S. foreign aid.

“I would say, before you move on an action, go out and actually see what’s going on in the world today,” French Gates said, addressing Musk, in an interview published Thursday in Fortune. “Go travel. Then decide what you’re going to do.”

“Yes, people in our own country are hurting,” she added. “We need to do things about that. But people are really hurting around the world, and I don’t think we want more poverty and more disease when we have a program that’s working.”

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